Mixed military pension and civil pension: features. Civil or military pension, which is better How to return to a military pension from a civilian pension

1. How to write statement of claim to the court on the transition from a civil pension to a military one?

1.1. Hello, the preparation of such statements is a paid service, so contact any of the lawyers on the site.

1.2. How to write a statement of claim to the court for the transition from a civil pension to a military one?
First, contact the FIU, then when they refuse, appeal it to the court within the framework of the CAS RF by filing an administrative claim.

It was suspended by the Federal Law of December 1, 2014 (397-FZ) and adopted in the context of an undeclared war by the United States and NATO against Russia, falling oil prices and budget revenues. In a crisis, when it comes to preserving the country's economy, implementing important social programs, re-equipping the army and navy, the need to develop new territories of the country and support the population of Novorossia - all this is understandable and justified. That is why people in uniform, as well as military pensioners, I repeat, reacted to this decision with understanding. After all, even in these difficult conditions, the state found opportunities to continue solving housing issues for military personnel, building service and permanent housing, paying housing subsidies, etc.

How to refuse a military pension and switch to a civilian one

If the performance of military service is contrary to the beliefs or religion of a citizen, he has the right to replace it with an alternative civilian service. Replacing military service with alternative civilian service is also allowed in other cases established by law.

3 art. 59 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation). - military service is contrary to his beliefs or religion (beliefs can be any - peacekeeping, philosophical, moral, ethical, political, legal, or have complementary content); - a citizen belongs to an indigenous small people, leads a traditional way of life, traditional management and is engaged in traditional crafts (Article 2 of the Law of July 25, 2002 N 113-FZ)

Second pension for military personnel

In order for the employer's insurance contributions while working in civilian institutions to be taken into account when assigning a second pension, a military pensioner must be registered in the compulsory pension insurance system. Information about civil service, accrued and paid insurance premiums, wages, as well as periods of work in civil organizations are reflected in an individual personal account with the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation and will determine the right to an insurance pension and possible payment from pension savings.

The number of this account is indicated on the insurance certificate of compulsory pension insurance - SNILS.

On the transition from one type of pension to another, on the nuances of recalculating pensions for different categories of pensioners, and not only

Am I entitled to a recalculation of my pension since March marks two years since the last recalculation? For what periods will my salary be taken into account in the new recalculation? If the insured person continued to work after the award of the pension, he has the right to recalculate the pension. However, you should be aware that it is made taking into account at least 24 months of insurance experience after the appointment (previous recalculation) of the pension, regardless of breaks in work.

This is provided for by Article 42 of the Law of Ukraine

"On Compulsory State Pension Insurance"

Thus, if you have these 24 months of insurance experience, you are entitled to a pension recalculation.

Within 5 years - this means that the civil work experience (not included in the military pension) required to receive a second pension must be at least 5 years.

Officially, for 5 years - this means that for at least 5 years the employer has monthly transferred insurance premiums to the individual personal account of a citizen in the system of compulsory pension insurance. Passport. Insurance certificate of state pension insurance.

Pension certificate plus its photocopy.

The work book plus its photocopy (for working pensioners, on the last page of the copy of the work book, the entry of the personnel department “Works to the present time”, the date, the signature of the person in charge with a transcript and the seal of the organization is required).

Who can count on a double pension?

- If a military pensioner has reached retirement age and his work experience in a "citizen" is at least 6 years (gradually, the requirements for experience will increase - up to 15 years in 2024), then in addition to the military pension for long service (or disability), he has the right to receive the insurance part of the labor pension.

Its size depends on the contributions that were paid to the Pension Fund. By the way, you have the right to completely abandon the pension for years of service and completely switch to insurance.

But today it is better not to do this. When converting military experience into civilian experience, you will lose money.

It is more profitable to receive two pensions at once.

• military: for long service and insurance
• disabled people, participants of the Great Patriotic War, residents of besieged Leningrad: insurance and disability
• parents of military personnel who died while serving on conscription; widows of such military personnel, provided that they have not remarried: insurance or social and survivor's pension.

Federal Law “On pensions for persons who have served in the military.

”, “On state pension provision.

Remote garrisons, frequent change of housing with accommodation in military camps make it difficult to find employment for officer wives. In such conditions, there is nothing reprehensible to ask how to retire the husband of a military pensioner after his death. Without having, for objective reasons, a long work experience, the wife of an officer or midshipman relies on her husband's pension. The death of the only breadwinner significantly worsens the financial situation of the widow. Realizing the urgency of the problem, the state, to the extent possible, is trying to make life easier for the widows of military pensioners at the legislative level, in particular, it provides an opportunity, after the death of a husband, to receive pension money intended for a spouse after being transferred to the reserve.

The spouse of a deceased or deceased soldier can choose the following types of pension payments that are suitable:

• old-age pension is rare, but there are situations in which the wife of an officer has worked constantly and acquired a long seniority. Switching to a pension for a deceased husband is not economically feasible;
• survivor's pension - the country's involvement in local conflicts increases the risk of premature death of soldiers and officers. When the husband dies, the wife can receive the specified pension due to the inability to engage in labor activities for one reason or another. However, the legislation stipulates monthly cash payments in respect of children whose parents died in the line of military duty. Money is stopped being paid after reaching the age of majority, or after 23 years if the child is studying at a higher educational institution;
• husband's military pension - until the expiration of five years from the time the husband stopped receiving a pension - a military pensioner upon reaching retirement age or she has a certain degree of disability.

The state pays pensions to the wives of dead military pensioners who are raising children under the age of fourteen without officially working anywhere. How to properly retire the husband of a military pensioner after his death will help knowledge of the laws.

The legislative framework

The main legislative act regulating the provision of pensions for military personnel and their families is the Law of the Russian Federation of February 12, 1992 No. 4468-1 with the latest amendments and changes. In addition to the military, the law applies to employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Emergencies, the State. drug control, penal system, nat. guards. Article 28 indicates under what circumstances family members may receive a military pension for the loss of a breadwinner:

• a serviceman dies while performing his duties while on duty;
• retired to the reserve, dies from illness or wounds acquired in the service;
• dies from injuries received during the performance of duty, after the registration of military pensions;
• the serviceman had the status of a prisoner of war or was declared missing,

When the wife of a military pensioner is unable to support herself and children due to disability, is not able to earn an income or work while caring for young children, then she has the right, under Art. 10 FZ 400, apply for a military survivor's pension. Article 5 of the Federal Law No. 4468-1 equalizes the rights of recipients of pensions of deceased pensioners with families who are on pensions in the event of the loss of a breadwinner who died in the course of official activities.

A woman with an IPC of 30 points, more than 15 years of work experience, according to Art. 8 of the Federal Law No. 400, an old-age labor pension is due.

Survivors' pensions

Service in the RF Armed Forces increases the risk of premature death for servicemen of any kind of service. Therefore, you should know in which cases a pension is calculated for the widow of a military pensioner. Woman, according to Art. 10 of the Federal Law No. 400, may receive a financial allowance in the following cases:

• is dependent, disabled due to disability;
• is not disabled and able to work, but is raising minor children;
• loses his ability to work some time after the death of his spouse, and does not have the opportunity for a normal existence.

When remarrying, a woman continues to receive child benefits from her ex-deceased husband until adulthood. This rule is related to the fact that new husband under the law is not required to financially support children not conceived in this marriage.

Double pension

Legislative norms provide for the widow of a deceased military pensioner to receive one pension of her choice. However, there are exceptions. Article 7 of the Federal Law of the Russian Federation No. 4468-1 allows the widow of a military pensioner to receive an additional pension if the deceased husband was disabled due to acquired diseases or injuries, injuries while protecting the interests of the state. A woman will be able to receive, in addition to her pension (social, labor, disability), additional financial support. The legal norm ceases to be valid if the woman remarries.

Registration procedure

After the death of a military pensioner, no one will automatically transfer his pension to the widow. To receive the cash payments laid down by law, it is necessary to collect a package of documents. You also need to decide, based on the circumstances, with the type of pension that you should apply for - a military pension or for the loss of a breadwinner. The conditions under which the payments of a particular pension are made differ from each other. Many nuances are taken into account: the circumstances of the death or death of the husband, their own work activity, the presence and number of children, the length of service of the spouse and much more.

It should be borne in mind that the structural divisions of the Ministry of Defense are in charge of issues of pensions for military personnel. Therefore, if a military pensioner has died, a widowed woman should first contact the local military registration and enlistment office for registration. Then, write an application, of the established form, to the PF department at the place of residence, attaching the required documents.

Documentation

It should be borne in mind that the bureaucratic system in any state requires the provision of all documents and certificates specified by law. Therefore, it is necessary to carefully collect the required documents, the list of which is approved by Order of the Ministry of Labor and Social Development of the Russian Federation No. 958n dated November 28, 2014:

• certificates - about the death of a spouse, about marriage, about the birth of children, including persons of minor age;
• certificates - about the income, family composition, disability of the applicant, about the term of service of the deceased or deceased serviceman;
• a copy of the passport;
• a document confirming the receipt or absence of a pension.

To receive a military pension of a deceased spouse, women should be patient. The process can take months.

Terms of consideration of the application

Legislators have set a time frame for a positive or negative response to a submitted application. If the provided package of documents contains exhaustive information, in this case the application is considered within 10 days. As a rule, rarely anyone manages to fully collect the necessary documents the first time. When adding missing certificates or certificates, the consideration period is postponed by 10 days.

Payout amount

The amount of pensions for the widows of military personnel for the loss of a breadwinner is determined by Article No. 36 of the Federal Law No. 4468-1. According to this article, payments are made in the amount of:

• 40% of the monetary allowance of the deceased spouse, if the accident that led to disability occurred outside the service;
• The widow receives 50% of the monetary allowance if the deceased husband received a disability due to illness or injury during the service.

The pension provision of a military pensioner is calculated on the basis of additional payments for length of service, official salaries and amounts paid for military rank. The wives of the dead servicemen who served urgently will be able to count on monthly financial support:

• 150% of the social pension if the death occurred due to an illness caught during the period of the “term”;
• 200% of the social pension if the husband died in the line of duty from injuries incompatible with life.

Pensions are paid permanently after reaching retirement age. During the period of incapacity for work - before gaining the ability to work.

Receiving pensions

The Pension Fund offers several options for receiving pension support. If the issue of receiving the pension of the deceased husband of the pensioner is positively resolved, the method of delivery is negotiated separately. This can be an accrual to an open current account, delivery by Russian Post to your home or receipt at the nearest post office. The most convenient way for infirm pensioners is free home delivery. This function is carried out by the social protection authorities. For active pensioners, it is most convenient to transfer pensions to a bank card.

Burial allowance

The state not only takes care of pensions for the widows of deceased military pensioners. A lot of public funds are spent on the burial of a deceased citizen. If relatives bury with their own money, then they are entitled to compensation for the amount spent. In different regions, it ranges from 6 to 11 thousand rubles. The funeral can be carried out entirely at the expense of the state by specialized funeral services. It is important to apply for social benefits for burial no later than six months from the date of burial. Otherwise, no partial refund will be made.

If the leaders of the state and the Ministry of Defense fulfill their promise to increase military pensions by 70% from January 2012, then this will be the most significant event in the life of military pensioners in the entire period of Russia's development since 1991. But, probably, everyone who is related to military pensions has certain doubts: why is it supposed to increase military pensions by only 70% while increasing the pay of military personnel by 3 times? 70% is a lot or a little, is it good or not? And when will military pensioners receive at least 40 ... 50% of the monetary allowance of military personnel?

In an exclusive interview with Rossiyskaya Gazeta on April 22, 2010, Deputy Minister of Defense for Financial and Economic Affairs Vera Chistova noted the problem of transition of military pensioners to a labor pension. An excerpt from the interview: “... according to official statistics, as of April 1, 2010, the average labor pension in the country is 8.2 thousand rubles, and our veteran military personnel earn an average of only 8 thousand. Unfortunately, they have become poorer than their civilian counterparts. At the end of last year, we repeatedly reported to all authorities that a massive transition from military pensions to labor pensions had begun. From the point of view of social protection of military pensioners, this is an alarming trend.”

But the term "worrisome trend" is too mild for the current situation. Let's see why. The average length of service of military and equivalent pensioners is about 30 years (according to Rosstat, on average, 81% of pensions are paid and, accordingly, the average length of service of military pensioners is about 30 years. Given that many have preferential length of service, let the average be 5- years, then the average calendar service life of military pensioners is 25 years. average age dismissed for retirement ranges from 40 to 45 years. Then it turns out that for the remaining 15 ... 20 years (up to 60 years), many military pensioners were able to earn a civilian pension more than for a longer service in the army!
Thus, the trend of a massive transition from military to labor pensions is not just alarming, but critical (or maybe catastrophic?). Who wants to serve in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation if he knows for sure that the pension is larger in civilian life and it can be earned faster?

One gets the impression that the military security in our country is at second plan, but quite different issues are quickly resolved: the mine collapsed (this, of course, is a huge tragedy, but this has been happening regularly for hundreds of years since the construction of mines for mining began) - the miner (or his family) will receive a pension as a colonel , if he entered the civil service, then the pension will be more (we'll see how much later) than for service in the RF Armed Forces. It is even better to be a doctor or a teacher, in a number of cities they already have more pensions than in military pensioners. We will not compare military pensioners with deputies (after all, people's deputies!), And even more so with the private sector, where salaries and pensions depend on the skills, abilities and business qualities of workers and are not limited to the limits that are understandable for budgetary pensioners ...

Such a situation with the level of military pensions in our country was not created even in the Soviet years. In the stagnant 70s, a major general's pension was 350 rubles a month, and a colonel's was 250 rubles. These same 250 rubles corresponded to the salary (and not the pension, which was 130 rubles!) of a highly paid city (regional) official! (according to modern concepts of the minister of the city (regional) administration).

What pensions are paid to officials now? In Perm, for example, they tried to deal with the pensions of ex-officials. And it turns out that three hundred former officials receive more pensions than generals.

And there are many such regions and territories in our country. With such high salaries of civilian officials (their number, for example, at the beginning of 2005 was 1 million 318 thousand 600 people), it turns out that there are dozens of times more posts that, in terms of accrued pensions, correspond to generals in the Armed Forces.

And in the entire Soviet Union, there were generally two times fewer officials than in the Russian Federation in 2005: in 1990, there were 663,000 bureaucrats in the USSR.

Today, in our country as a whole, the ratio of the average pension to the average salary for state employees is no more than 20 ... 25% with a tendency to further decline (the World Labor Organization recommends no lower than 40-70%). For reference: in 2000 the ratio of the average pension to the average salary was 30…35%. However, civil servants have made an exception for themselves. After working 15 years at their “harmful and hard” work, they are guaranteed to receive a pension of 45% of their salary , that they had when they retired (note that this salary will be higher than the average for the entire time the official worked). If the experience of "service to the people" exceeds 15 years, this ratio gradually (by 3% per year) increases, up to 75%. Not bad, isn't it?

Here is a table of average pension growth since 2000 (Rosstat). At the same time, one should not forget that, starting from 2005, the average civil pensions also take into account the outstripping growth of civil servants' pensions. And although the number of civil servants-pensioners is several tens of times less than ordinary pensioners, their pensions are on average three times higher than those of state employees receiving labor pensions.

Table 1

Average pension (rubles) at the beginning of the year in the public sector (Rosstat data) and forecast for their growth until 2012

Table 1. Continued

Two examples from the Internet about the pensions of officials.

... Galina Svetkina, ex-minister of social protection of the regional government, receives a pension almost twice as much as Hero of the Soviet Union Ivan Vanichkin. He crossed the Dnieper with his anti-tank gun. On the captured patch of land, he fought off attacks for eighteen days. Only one remained. Vanichkin was shell-shocked by the shell explosion and covered with earth. When they dug it up, they thought it was not a tenant…. But he survived, got a Hero. About him and his friends, “Battalions ask for fire” are written. Vanichkin receives the usual pension plus 25 thousand as a Hero of the Soviet Union. And the former official of regional significance, Svetkina, is about 50 ... Well, how can one say about such a pension to war veterans and home front workers who shed blood on the battlefields or did not leave the machines for days?

... The deputies of the Samara provincial Duma have a pension, taking into account deputy and ordinary seniority, from 20 to 30 thousand rubles, and the former turner Ivan Goncharov, who, as a boy, stood at the machine during the war years and worked for 53 years, 6 months, 8 days, became disabled the second group - receives 5.5 thousand rubles. He asked for a raise so that at least there would be enough for medicines. Useless. Everyone politely explains to him - from Finance Minister Kudrin to an employee of the Pension Fund - that an increase in his pension is detrimental to the Russian economy, that the flywheel of inflation will spin and it will be worse for everyone, that the increase in pensions on average in the country amounted to as much as 20 percent ... It is clear, why familiar officials avert their eyes and keep quiet when the conversation turns to their pensions. Not only the state, but they themselves protect the final secret of their personal working life.

Let us analyze the growth of average pensions for servicemen since 2000.

table 2

Average pension of military personnel (rubles) from 2000 to the present and forecast until 2012

Brief conclusions.

• the average pensions of servicemen in 2000 exceeded labor pensions by three times;

• in 2010, the average pensions of the military became equal to the pensions of civilians;

• if the promises of the leaders of the state and the Ministry of Defense are fulfilled, then the average pensions of military personnel will exceed civil pensions in January 2012 by 1.5 times;

• the average pensions of officials in 2012 will be about twice as much as the pensions of military personnel (and three times more than the average for civilians!);

• the percentage ratio of military pensions and the salaries of military personnel will remain at a very low level, less than 15%, while since 2004 the ratio of pensions and salaries has been at the level of 45 ... 75% for retired officials with a length of service of 15 to 25 years.

Important note.

Not only military pensioners and their families feel daily low level life of military pensioners. A number of parties, primarily Yabloko, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, Just Russia and their leaders (unfortunately, the ruling United Russia party does not belong to this list), constantly remind about the need to reform the pension system for military personnel.

Thus, the Just Russia party, headed by its leader S. M. Mironov, Chairman of the Federation Council, drawing attention to the need to increase the level of pensions for retired military men, was one of the first to initiate the development of a federal law on increasing the amount of payments of monetary allowances to servicemen and military personnel. pensions. As the most important strategic task of improving social support measures, it was proposed to achieve by 2017 the amount of pensions for Russian military personnel transferred to the reserve within 60-80% of the average monthly salary of military personnel in active service.

As it became clear from an interview with Deputy Defense Minister Vera Chistova, the 2012 reform is only the first step in this direction. And in order to achieve a ratio of military pensions and salaries of military personnel of at least 40…50%, according to the principles laid down in the 2012 reform (and in order to get closer to the pensions of officials!), we will have to wait not until 2017, but another 5…10 years after that term. That is, most of today's military pensioners, unfortunately, will not be able to live to see a brighter future.

The right to receive a simultaneous pension for long service through the power department and the labor part of the old-age insurance pension is for pensioners who have served in the military, served in the internal affairs bodies, in the Federal Security Service, institutions and bodies of the penitentiary system, as well as pensioners from among the employees of the prosecutor's office and employees of customs authorities who have work experience in the "citizen".

"Second pension" for military pensioners is assigned under the following conditions:

- the establishment of a pension for long service or disability through law enforcement agencies;

- the presence of a minimum insurance period not taken into account when assigning a pension through the power department (in other words, experience in a "citizen"). In 2015, it is 6 years, and starting from January 1, 2016, it will increase annually by 1 year to 15 years in 2024;

— achievement of the generally established age of retirement (for men - 60 years, for women - 55 years).

To assign a part of the labor pension, military pensioners must contact the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation at the place of registration. If the address of residence is not confirmed by registration, then at the place of actual residence. You must submit an application and the following documents:

- passport of a citizen of the Russian Federation;

— insurance certificate of compulsory pension insurance;

- a certificate from the body providing pensions through the power department, which contains information on the date of the pension, the periods of service preceding the assignment of the disability pension, or the periods of service, work and other activities taken into account when determining the amount of the pension for long service;

— documents confirming the “civil experience” (employment book, employment contract, certificates issued by employers or relevant state (municipal) bodies, etc.).

Military pensioners with periods of service in civilian institutions prior to 2002 may submit proof of average monthly earnings for any 60 consecutive months prior to January 1, 2002.

When calculating the length of service required for the appointment of an old-age insurance pension to citizens receiving a pension through the line of law enforcement agencies, all periods that were included in the length of service, including those that do not affect the size of these pensions for years of service.

For your information, we inform you that paragraph 2 of Article 2 of the Federal Law of July 21, 2014 No. 208-FZ “On the Peculiarities of Pension Provision for Citizens of the Russian Federation Living in the Territories of the Republic of Crimea and the Federal City of Sevastopol” provides that when applying for citizens of the Russian Federation who permanently resided as of March 18, 2014 on the territory of the Republic of Crimea or on the territory of the federal city of Sevastopol, for the purpose of pensions and (or) other payments established for pensions, such pensions and (or) payments are assigned from 01.01.2015, but not earlier than from the day emergence of the right to a pension and (or) payment. In this case, an application for the appointment of a pension and (or) payment can be submitted in the period from January 01 to December 31, 2015 inclusive.

How is the transition from one pension to another regulated?

Need advice on this issue.

If I refuse the military pension and switch to a civil pension, will I be able, if I am not satisfied with the size of the civil pension, to switch back to a military pension. The FIU said that in order to find out the exact amount of the accrued pension, I need to give up the military pension and write an application to the FIU for the calculation of a civil pension, and only then can I find out the exact amount of the accrual.

Lawyers Answers (1)

You do not need to switch to a civilian pension, meaning the transition to an old-age pension is not relevant, a military pension is more significant.

Law of July 22, 2008 No. 156-FZ, according to which military pensioners began to enjoy the right to receive a civil pension in addition to the military pension in its insurance part.

Given the significant increase in military pensions in last years and the planned further increase, the military pension with the additional payment of the insurance part of the civil pension becomes larger than the size of the old-age pension. The indicated law extends its effect from January 1, 2007, but not earlier than from the day the right to a civil pension arises.
To receive two pensions at the same time, you must:
- so that your civilian experience is at least five years and during these five years the employer pays insurance premiums (it does not matter before or after the formation of military experience);
- you have reached the general retirement age.
- insurance certificate of state pension insurance;
- documents capable of proving identity, place of residence, age and citizenship;
- Documents that confirm the length of service (certificates from places of work, work book, etc.);
- certificate of average monthly salary for any consecutive 5 years until January 01, 2002 (excluding 2000 - 2001, for this salary certificate is not required, and the average monthly salary will be calculated by the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation according to personal accounting data in the Pension Fund database);
- documents evidencing changes in surname, name, patronymic (if any);
- a certificate from the place of service on the periods of military service, or other activities that were taken into account when calculating the military pension);

Good luck! Sincerely, Julia!

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Thank you for your answer. I know all these nuances. I also know about the average pension ratio.

To receive a second pension (not such big payments there), I do not have 5 years of civil service after my discharge from the army.

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To receive two pensions at the same time, you must:
- so that your civilian experience is at least five years and during these five years the employer pays insurance premiums (it does not matter before the formation of military experience or after it);

- you reach the general retirement age.







To apply for the insurance part of the civil pension, you should write a corresponding application to your territorial division of the Pension Fund of Russia (at your place of residence), attaching the following documents to the application:
— insurance certificate of state pension insurance;

– documents capable of proving identity, place of residence, age and citizenship;

- documents that confirm the length of service (certificates from places of work, work book, and others);

- certificate of average monthly salary for any consecutive 5 years until January 01, 2002 (excluding 2000 - 2001, for this salary certificate is not required, and the average monthly salary will be calculated by the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation according to personal accounting data in the Pension Fund database);

- documents evidencing changes in the last name, first name, patronymic (if any);

- a certificate from the place of service on the periods of military service, or other activities that were taken into account when calculating the military pension);
The application must also indicate the method of delivery of the civil pension.

Switch to a civil pension

An increase in the size of military pensions by an average of 70 ... 80% from January 2012 - this is the happiest event in the life of military pensioners for the entire period of Russia's existence as an independent state (since 1991).

But, most people who receive today or plan to receive a military pension in the future have certain doubts: why military pensions were increased only by 70...80% while the monetary allowance of servicemen increased by 2.5...3 times? An increase in military pensions by 70...80% - is it a lot or a little, is it good or not? And, the next question immediately arises, and when will military pensioners receive at least 40% of the monetary allowance of military personnel?

We will continue to search for answers to these important questions for all military personnel.

In an exclusive interview with Rossiyskaya Gazeta on April 22, 2010, Deputy Minister of Defense for Financial and Economic Affairs Vera Chistova noted the problem of the transition of military pensioners to a labor pension. An excerpt from the interview: “... according to official statistics, as of April 1, 2010, the average labor pension in the country is 8.2 thousand rubles, and our veteran military personnel earn an average of only 8 thousand. Unfortunately, they have become poorer than their civilian counterparts. At the end of last year, we repeatedly reported to all authorities that began a massive transition from military pensions to labor. From the point of view of social protection of military pensioners, this is an alarming trend. »

The term " alarming trend"too soft for the current situation. Let's see why. The average length of service of the military and equivalent pensioners is about 30 years (according to Rosstat, on average, 81% of pensions are paid and, accordingly, the average length of service of military pensioners is just over 30 years.

Taking into account the fact that many servicemen have preferential length of service, albeit an average of 3 ... 5 years, the average calendar service life of military pensioners is 25 ... 27 years. That is, the average age of retirees does not exceed 45 years. Then it turns out that in the remaining 15-odd years before receiving a labor pension (men), many military pensioners earn a civilian pension more than for a longer service in the army!

Thus, the trend of a massive transition from the military to labor pensions is not just alarming, but critical(maybe catastrophic?). Who wants to serve in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation if he knows that the pension is larger in civilian life and it can be earned faster? It would be interesting to know: Has the process of transition of military pensioners to a labor pension since January 2012 stopped completely or not? One of the next surveys on our website will be devoted to this issue.

Today, in our country as a whole, ratio of average pension to average salary for state employees, it usually does not exceed 25% (the World Labor Organization recommends at least 40-70%). For reference: in 2000 the ratio of the average pension to the average salary was 30…35%.

However civil servants (civil officials) made an exception for themselves. After working for 15 years at his "harmful and hard" job, they are guaranteed to receive a pension of 45% of their salary, that they had when they retired (note that this salary will be higher than the average for the entire time the official worked). If the experience of "service to the people" exceeds 15 years, this ratio gradually (by 3% per year) increases, up to 75%.

It seems that the security of our Country is somewhere in the background, but completely different issues are quickly resolved: the mine collapsed (this, of course, is a grave tragedy, but this has been happening regularly for hundreds of years since the construction of mines began) - an ordinary miner (or his family) is promised (V.V. Putin) a pension more than a colonel before 2012. If he entered the civil service, then the pension will be earlier and more than for service in the RF Armed Forces. It is even better to be a doctor or a teacher, in many cities they already have more pensions than military pensioners who have served as contract soldiers and sergeants for 20 years. We will not compare military pensioners with deputies (after all, people's deputies!), And even more so with the private sector, where salaries and pensions depend on the skills, abilities and business qualities of workers and are not limited to limits that are understandable for budgetary pensioners ...

Such a situation with the level of military pensions in our country, which developed by the end of 2011, was not in the Soviet years either. For example, in the stagnant 70s, a major general's pension was 350 rubles a month, and a colonel's was 250 rubles. These same 250 rubles corresponded to the salary (and not the pension, which was equal to 130 rubles!) of a highly paid city (regional) official! (according to modern concepts of the minister of the city (regional) administration).

Lyrical digression dedicated to the pensions of officials

In Perm, for example, they tried to deal with the pensions of ex-officials. And it turns out that three hundred former officials receive more pensions than generals (until January 2012).

And there are many such regions and territories in our country. With such high salaries of civilian officials (their number, for example, at the beginning of 2005 was 1 million 318 thousand 600 people), it turns out that there are dozens of times more posts that, in terms of accrued pensions, correspond to generals in the Armed Forces.

For reference: in the entire Soviet Union, there were half as many officials as in the Russian Federation in 2005: in 1990, there were 663,000 bureaucrats in the USSR.

... Galina Svetkina, ex-minister of social protection of the regional government, receives a pension almost twice as much as Hero of the Soviet Union Ivan Vanichkin. He crossed the Dnieper with his anti-tank gun. On the captured patch of land, he fought off attacks for eighteen days. Only one remained. Vanichkin was shell-shocked by the shell explosion and covered with earth. When they dug it up, they thought it was not a tenant…. But he survived, got a Hero. About him and his friends, "Battalions ask for fire" were written.
Vanichkin receives the usual pension plus 25 thousand as a Hero of the Soviet Union. And the former official of regional significance, Svetkin, is about 50 ... How can one say about such a pension to war veterans and home front workers who shed blood on the battlefields or did not leave the machines for days?

... The deputies of the Samara provincial Duma have a pension, taking into account deputy and ordinary seniority, from 20 to 30 thousand rubles, and the former turner Ivan Goncharov, who, as a boy, stood at the machine during the war years and worked for 53 years, 6 months, 8 days, became disabled the second group - receives 5.5 thousand rubles. He asked for a raise so that at least there would be enough for medicines. Useless. Everyone politely explains to him - from Finance Minister Kudrin to an employee of the Pension Fund - that an increase in his pension is detrimental to the Russian economy, that the flywheel of inflation will spin and it will be worse for everyone, that the increase in pensions on average in the country amounted to as much as 20 percent ... It is understandable why familiar officials avert their eyes and keep quiet when the conversation turns to their pensions.. Not only the state, but they themselves protect the final secret of their personal working life.

Let's look at the growth of the average civil labor pension since 2000 (Rosstat and PFR). At the same time, we must not forget that the average old-age labor pension is like the average temperature in a hospital, so it includes pensions from state employees, civil servants (officials), and the private sector.

Table 1. The average size of the old-age labor pension and the forecast of their growth in 2012

01.01.2000

01.01.12

01.02.12

01.04.12

The size of the labor pension, rub.

Let us analyze the growth of average pensions for servicemen since 2000. Indexation of military pensions in 2012 is not provided, so the pension of military personnel during 2012 will remain at the same level as in January.

The average military pension in 2012 is calculated based on the results of a survey on our website "How much has your military pension increased since January 2012?". The increase in the average pension of military personnel from January 1, 2012 amounted to 70 ... 80%, which is even higher than the leaders of our country promised earlier.

Table 2. Average pension of military personnel (rubles) from 2000 to 2012

01.01.04

01.01.08

01.01.11

01.04.11

The amount of military pensions, rub.

Brief conclusions.

1. Average military pensions in 2000 three times the labor.

2. In 2010, the average pensions of the military caught up with civilians.

3. Average military pensions in 2012 will exceed civilian pensions by about 1.65 times (by 65%). This is more than the authorities promised us (30...40%).

4. In 2012, average military pensions for privates and sergeants (contract servicemen) approached civilian pensions.

5. The percentage ratio of labor pensions and salaries of state employees remains at the level of about 25% (military pensions and salaries of military personnel are at an even lower level - 20%), while for pensioners-officials since 2004 the ratio of pensions and salaries is at level of 45 ... 75% with a length of service of 15 to 25 years. In order to get closer to the pensions of officials and achieve a ratio of military pensions and monetary allowances of military personnel of at least 40%, according to the principles laid down in the new laws, we will have to wait another 23 years. That is, the overwhelming majority of today's military pensioners, unfortunately, will not be able to live to see a full pension.

Comment. The size and principles of calculating pensions for civil officials at the federal and, especially, regional levels require additional consideration.

15 responses to Civil or military pension, which is better?

Nikolai: 01/15/2011
I fully agree with Eugene. It is incomprehensible to the mind what is happening in our country. And everything comes from... "United Russia"... I am a military pensioner, I was in Afghanistan, I have 26 years of service, and what is the result? But nothing. I looked on the Internet how much a military pensioner in the United States earns and almost fell off his chair. With our money - 75 thousand rubles - not a fig to ourselves, so that we get it like that. And no matter how much “Fair Russia” and its like-minded people speak in our favor, their attempts will be cut down by “United Russia”, there are still more of them, and they vote only for projects that are beneficial to it. Well, nothing, the elections are coming soon and we will see who has wider riding breeches (as one hero in the film said). And until we elect a new president and prime minister, there will be no sense, they are only verbally promising.

Inga: 02/27/2011
elect? They will be the same, or the same as Yeltsin or Gorbachev - radish horseradish is not sweeter!

Leonid: 01/25/2011
In our country, the Constitution does not work in terms of equality of citizens (the one who has more rights is right). Putin is lying when he says that the situation of veterans and pensioners is always a priority for the country's leadership. The priority for the current leadership of the country and deputies has always been and will be to increase their own well-being and the well-being of officials. This is evidenced by salaries and pensions of officials.

Anatoly: 01/31/2011
An interesting philosophy among officials is the habit of averaging everything. All over the country they broadcast that the pension of the military and those equivalent to them is more than 7 thousand. Good excuse. And why not start from the minimum? Taking into account the additions of 2010, the pension is about 5 thousand. But every citizen is a person and why does he need this average statistics. In the same way, almost everyone calculates the average, both salaries and the country's economy in general.
This is a gross mistake that does not give a clear idea of ​​what is happening in reality. But it seems to be beneficial for certain circles. Indeed, why not start from the minimum? There would be a specific point (rather than a floating point, which gives a vague idea of ​​the state of the whole country) from which to proceed. This is a question for our government - will they answer?

Alexander: 02/15/2011
From 01 February 2011 the average size civil labor pension amounted to 8886 rubles. Military retirees are resting. “My father said before his death: “Abdullah, I lived my life as a poor man, and I want God to send you an expensive robe and a beautiful harness for your horse.” I waited a long time, and then God said: "Get on a horse and take what you want, if you are brave and strong." White sun desert

lieutenant colonel Gareev: 02/21/2011
Military pensioners!
It is time to fight for your pensions by any legal means!
1. Do not under any circumstances vote for either V. Putin or D. Medvedev!
2. Protest and protest again! Up to going to organized demonstrations and rallies!
The authorities deliberately did not pay us additional pensions, subtly using various allowances that are not included in the base that forms the pension. V. Putin modestly called this mockery “distortions”. And as if he himself had nothing to do with it! As if the Martians did it! And he, supposedly so good, is now struggling with it! Now, for someone, even 70% will probably seem like just a “fabulous” allowance! And the difference between military and civilian pensions of 25% is simply “the height of justice”!
Do not fall for another sophisticated deception! ...

Yuri: 02/27/2011
I agree completely, United Russia should not get our votes in the elections. They are tired of stories. Our response to their attitude must be adequate.

Andrey: 02/22/2011
All of the above is true! But things are still there! We ourselves allowed them to power. I can grind my teeth in anger as much as I want, but I can’t fix anything. Of course, I won’t vote for United Russia, but look around - by and large, young people don’t care, it would be something to drink, they threw a handout to civilian pensioners, in the form of an increase of 200 rubles, and they are satisfied, and even on TV they show how well we live. So the main part will still be for these United Russia members…

Oleg Alekseevich, reserve colonel. : 22.02.2011
Very good article. Everything is written correctly. with specific examples, names and numbers. Such articles should be immediately sent to the website of the President, the Government, the Ministry of Defense and the Prosecutor's Office - let them read it - maybe they will feel ashamed. As for which pension to choose, civil or military (state), as a lawyer I will say that at present there are two laws in the Russian Federation - “On State Pension Provision” and “On Labor Pensions” and one law does not exclude the other. In 2007, military pensioners (including officials who came here, how could it be without them, in general, all those who receive pensions for long service under the Federal Law “On State Pensions” - judges, prosecutors, deputies, etc., although it was a military pensioner who was sued - God bless him and many thanks from all of us) they sued (even had to reach the Constitutional Court - shame on the leaders of the country!) The right to receive along with (and not a choice, as it was before) with a military (state) pension and labor (although for some reason only the insurance part - it is also not clear why not in full - how much you earn in a civilian life - you get so much according to the Federal Law “On Labor Pensions”).
We adopt normal laws - you read, everything seems to be correct and fair - and then the officials will distort everything in such a way that it turns out according to Chernomyrdin - they wanted the best, but it turned out as always. Enough of this leveling! It is necessary to raise not raw material oligarchs, but oligarchs of labor and finally begin to fulfill the fundamental principle of justice - from each according to his ability to each according to his work. A man went into the army at the age of 18 - served the prescribed 20-30 years - get a decent military pension in full (50-85% of active colleagues in arms, and without any tricks - various additional payments, bonuses and increases, but as expected - if in the army of a new look, a colonel will receive 150,000 rubles - and this is 3 times less than a NATO colonel, but not to fat, so a retired Russian colonel should receive 75,000-127,000 rubles, respectively.
If you want to work as a civilian - please work - you have worked for at least five years (gained the necessary labor insurance experience) - receive a retirement pension after 60 years (for men, 55 years for women) and not circumcised as it is now - but in full, according to the Federal Law "On labor pensions” how much did he earn working years and how much your employer deducted real insurance premiums for you. And then a person should have two full-fledged pensions - one for the length of service according to the Federal Law “On State Pension Provision”, which should be indexed in full according to this law, and the second - a full labor pension (both the insurance part, and the basic and funded ) according to the Federal Law “On labor pensions”, which should be indexed in full according to this law, like all civil pensioners. Then everything will be both according to the law and justice.
And with the current leveling, it turns out that those who did not work and did not serve receive the same amount as those who served, and then worked for another 15-20 years in civilian life. And then we wonder - why gray salaries, why young people do not want to serve or work. There are no incentives to serve and work. Today it turns out to be absurd - if a person has money, for example, lies in several banks, then he receives dividends from all banks, according to the terms of deposit agreements, and not in any one of them to choose from, or in one of the banks in full , and in others only a part. So it is in labor activity, too, everything should be honest and transparent - earned state pension for the length of service - well done, get it in full, earned a labor pension - well done, get in full how much you have earned.
Does the country's leadership really not understand this - hardly - they are all lawyers. And if they understand, but cannot restore elementary justice in the field of labor relations, then they cannot cope with their direct official duties. And this is professional incompetence. It's time to retire - just not a privileged bureaucratic one, but as it was before in the USSR (today it turns out - if you are the head of the region, then you should have a pension like a colonel - brigade commander - 26 wage category). And it’s time to finally make a table of ranks and publish it in the public domain, so that the people know how much the servants of the people get, how much the defenders of the fatherland, how much the guardians of the law. Then maybe the bureaucracy will be reduced by 4 times. Better less, but better (as they did with the army over the past 20 years - they reduced it from 5 million to 1 - yes, we don’t mind, only officials and all other state employees, please reduce 5 times compared to their number in the USSR). Then you see, military pensioners will also have decent pensions - as in the USA, Germany, France, Italy, Canada, Israel, etc. And there is money in Russia. Today, after the revolutions in North Africa and the Middle East, a barrel of oil already costs $105! Where is the money from the sale of our oil and gas?

Vyacheslav Ivanovich: 03/21/2011
They understand everything perfectly, and this revolts the most. Just the place to say - vote with your mind! Unfortunately, many think when voting in a different place. Well, they wentssip "in the kitchen ..."

Anton: 03/03/2011
I have a pensioner of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, a major, a pension of 6,000 rubles, and although the pension is not my main income now, I want everything to be fair, because I see many of the military and our pensioners who wear uniforms in civilian life, since clothes cannot be bought on What. In these elections, both my wife and I will vote for anyone, but not for United Russia.

levon: 03.03.2011
Comment by Oleg Alekseevich dated February 22, 2011. understandable, fair and logically justified. I fully support and approve. Thank you for such a comment. I served for 31 calendar years, I was dismissed with the rank of "lieutenant colonel" under Art. 59b, i.e., due to illness, invalid of the 2nd group
I worked in the reserve for another 19 years and receive two pensions, which are two times less in size than the pension of the former official of the city administration of the Omsk district, or even more. What can I say?

Victor: 03/13/2011
United Russia should be hammered for their work in the country, no one will vote for them, and campaigning should be carried out in this regard.

Colonel: 03/14/2011
When will the camps for the ex-military be created? For Russia, it is cheaper and we will not be so hungry. Yesterday, after paying utility bills for living, I bought 840 rubles worth of food from my pension, and there are still 17 days left before retirement (quiet impoverishment is going on). For work (I repeatedly visit the labor exchange), by the way, with higher education, they are not accepted anywhere, they say the old one is already (47 years old). All this predicts to me some kind of social blockade for our generation, earlier, at the age of 45, already with education and great life, professional experience, they became heads of departments and higher, now it’s the other way around - the longer the legs, etc. ... The state or the fair “Batman” - help. Give me a normal job, a salary... or finally my well-deserved pension, so that I can live as a worthy citizen of Russia, defending the interests of the State.

Nikolai Gavrilovich: 03/21/2011
I am a military pensioner, a participant in the actions of the Special Risk Units, a disabled person of the 2nd group. He retired in 1992. Over these 19 years, I have been constantly robbed: monetization of benefits, payment for damage to health, disability not for the explosion of APLK-431, but general civil, etc., etc. The size of the pension is ashamed to publish. Question to E.R.: Do you have at least a shred of conscience…

Switching from one type of pension to another

The new pension legislation allows the transition from one type of pension to another.
Read the details in this article.

By general rule appointment of pensions in our country to citizens who have right to receive various kinds pensions

• one pension of their choice is established.

This rule for assigning pensions is enshrined in Federal Laws:

• paragraph 2 of Art. 3 of the Federal Law of December 15, 2001 No. 166-FZ "On State Pension Provision";
• Part 1 Art. 7 of the Federal Law of February 12, 1993 N 4468-1 "On Military Pensions";
• Part 1 Art. 5 of the Federal Law of December 28, 2013 N 400-FZ "On insurance pensions".

Attention. A state pension provision or an insurance pension shall be granted irrespective of the appointment of a funded pension.

It is possible to switch from one pension to another, if both of them are due to a citizen under pension legislation, at any time after the right to establish it arises without any time limit.

The main condition for switching to another type of pension

• eligibility for the pension you want to switch to(paragraph 12, article 2, paragraph 2, paragraph 1, article 22 of the Law of December 15, 2001 N 166-FZ “On state pension provision”; part 4 of article 5 of the Law of December 28, 2013 N 400-FZ “On insurance pensions).

Subject to this main condition, everything depends only on your desire and on whether it is beneficial to you or not. And before making a final decision on the transition to another type of pension, it is recommended that you first consult with the employees of the Pension Fund department whether such a transition is beneficial for you.

After making a decision to transfer from one type of pension to another pension, it is recommended to follow a certain step-by-step algorithm of actions, discussed below.

The algorithm of actions for the transition from one pension to another pension

Step 1. Submit an application for the transition from one pension to another at the Pension Fund branch or at the multifunctional center of public services (MFC) at the place of residence.

You can apply to transfer from one pension to another:

• in writing directly to the Pension Fund,
• send through the MFC or
• send in the form of an electronic document via the Internet, in particular through the Unified portal of state and municipal services (functions) (parts 2, 4 of article 21 of the Law of December 28, 2013 N 400-FZ "On insurance pensions"; para. 1 part 1 Article 22, paragraph 1 of Article 24 of the Law of December 15, 2001 N 166-FZ "On State Pension Provision", paragraphs 3, 15, 35 of the Rules, approved by Order of the Ministry of Labor of Russia of November 17, 2004 N 884n).

Besides, if you are still working, an application for switching to another type of pension from your written application can be submitted by the employer (clause 14 of Rules N 884n).

All necessary documents must be attached to the application for the transition to another type of pension:

• confirming the right to receive the type of pension to which the transition is being made, and
• which, due to their absence, government agencies and local governments cannot be requested by the branch of the Pension Fund independently (parts 7, 8 of article 21 of the Law of December 28, 2013 N 400-ФЗ “On insurance pensions”; clause 3 of article 24 of the Law of December 15, 2001 N 166- Federal Law “On State Pension Provision”; clauses 21, 36, 38 of Rules N 884n; clauses 49 - 51 of the List, approved by Order of the Ministry of Labor of Russia dated November 28, 2014 N 958n).

Attention. To apply through the Unified Portal of State and Municipal Services (Functions), you must first register on it.

Step 2. Receive from the Pension Fund branch a notice of acceptance and registration of an application for switching to another type of pension, confirming the fact and date of receipt of the application and the necessary documents.

In addition to confirming the acceptance of the application and documents, the notification may also contain a list of missing documents that must be submitted by you and that the Pension Fund department will request on its own.

This is due to the fact that each type of pension requires its own documents and some of them may be missing in your pension file.

The notification is handed out or sent to the address of the applicant if the application and the necessary documents are received by mail.

In case of other methods of contacting the branch of the Pension Fund, the notification is sent to the citizen, respectively, through the MFC, the employer or in the form of an electronic document (clauses 20, 30 of Rules N 884n).

Step 3. Wait for the decision of the Pension Fund and receive the documents required to transfer to another pension.

Within 10 working days from the date of receipt of the application for the transition to another pension and documents (or from the date of submission of the missing documents), the Pension Fund branch makes a decision on the transition from one pension to another or on the refusal of such a transition (part 7 of article 22 of the Law dated December 28, 2013 N 400-FZ "On insurance pensions"; paragraph 38 of the Rules N 884n).

With a positive decision, the transition to another pension is made from the 1st day of the month following the month in which the pensioner submitted an application for the transition with all the necessary documents,

• but not earlier than the day of gaining the right to an insurance pension(part 11 of article 22 of the Law of December 28, 2013 N 400-FZ “On insurance pensions”; part 3 of article 23 of the Law of December 15, 2001 N 166-FZ “On state pension provision”).

Attention. At the same time, the amount of the pension to which you are switching is determined anew, as in the case of a new pension assignment (pensioners who have switched to another type of pension are issued a new pension certificate).

Application for switching to another type of pension and necessary documents, calculation of the amount new pension and the decision of the branch of the Pension Fund are attached to the payment file of the recipient of the pension(clause 44 of Rules N 884n).

In case of a negative decision to switch to another type of pension, the Pension Fund branch must notify the applicant about this within five working days after the decision is made, indicating

• reasons for rejection
• the procedure for appeal and
• return all documents at the same time (part 9 of article 22 of the Law of December 28, 2013 N 400-FZ “On insurance pensions”; clause 42 of Rules N 884n).

Attention. In case of disagreement with the decision on the transition to another type of pension issued by a branch of the Pension Fund, you can appeal such a decision to a higher body of the Pension Fund. In addition, the decision of both the territorial branch of the Pension Fund and the higher body of the Pension Fund can be appealed in court (part 20 of article 21, part 9 of article 22 of the Law of December 28, 2013 N 400-FZ "On insurance pensions").

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Transition to a civil pension

Is it right? What should I do? To whom to complain?

More and more I am convinced of the correctness of this statement.

In fact, THIS is the Procedure for determining tariff categories in accordance with military positions held, established from July 1, 2002. — APPENDIX to instructions of the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation dated June 28, 2002 No. 180/3/390.
The text of the directive is given below.

In accordance with the requirements of the Federal Law of May 7, 2002 No. 49-FZ “On the Introduction of Amendments and Additions to Certain Legislative Acts of the Russian Federation on the Issues of the Monetary Allowance of Military Personnel and the Granting of Certain Benefits to them” and Decree of the President of the Russian Federation dated 1 June 2002 No. 537 "On the monetary allowance of military personnel" On June 26, 2002, the Government of the Russian Federation adopted Resolution No. 462 "On the establishment of salaries for the monetary maintenance of military personnel."
The specified resolution of the Government of the Russian Federation, from July 1, 2002, introduced new salaries for standard military positions of military personnel serving under a contract, and instructed the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation * in relation to these salaries for standard military positions to establish salaries for others ( atypical) military positions of military personnel undergoing military service under a contract.
The salaries for military positions are established on the basis of the correspondence between the main standard military positions of military personnel serving under a contract, state positions of the federal public service, as well as the ratio of salaries for other typical military positions to establish salaries for the monetary maintenance of military personnel.
New unified approaches to the establishment of salaries for military positions subject to recruitment by military personnel serving under a contract both as officers and as warrant officers, midshipmen, foremen, sergeants, soldiers and sailors, which have not been reviewed since 1993, but only indexed, necessitated taking measures to change the tariffing of these military posts in order to determine the salaries established for them from July 1, 2002, which are not connected with organizational and regular activities.
In order to fulfill the requirements of the Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of June 26, 2002 No. 462 and the timely payment of new salaries to military personnel for their military positions, I DEMAND:
1. Deputy Ministers of Defense of the Russian Federation, commanders-in-chief of branches of the Armed Forces, commanders of troops of military districts, fleets, commanders of branches of the Armed Forces, heads of main and central departments of the Ministry of Defense, commanders of formations, commanders of formations and military units, heads (heads) of organizations of the Armed Forces, military commissars to make changes before July 1, 2002
to the states in terms of establishing tariff categories for military positions in the military
employees undergoing military service under a contract, to determine the monthly
salaries in accordance with these military positions in the following order:
a) for military positions for which in the states of the central bodies of the military
State Administration of the Armed Forces, military authorities, military units
and organizations for their provision and protection, departments of military districts, fleets, armies, flotillas, corps, squadrons, naval bases, military ranks of officers are provided - according to the staff-tariff list of military positions of senior, senior and junior officers of the Armed Forces, approved by the Minister of Defense Russian Federation;
b) for military positions, for which the military ranks of soldiers, sailors, sergeants, foremen, warrant officers and midshipmen are provided for in the states of military administration bodies, military units and organizations specified in subparagraph "a" of this paragraph, as well as for all military positions in the states of formations, other military units and organizations of the Armed Forces, military commissariats - in accordance with the Procedure for determining tariff categories in accordance with military positions held (appendix to these instructions).
2. The General Staff, together with the Main Financial and Economic Directorate of the Ministry of Defense, the main headquarters of the branches of the Armed Forces, the headquarters of the Logistics of the Armed Forces, the headquarters of the armed forces of the Armed Forces, the main and central departments of the Ministry of Defense, ensure:
before July 1, 2002, the introduction of changes in the staff of subordinate bodies of military command, formations, military units and organizations of the Armed Forces, military commissariats;
control over the correct and timely billing of military positions in the states of subordinate bodies of military command, formations, military units and organizations of the Armed Forces, military commissariats.
MINISTER OF DEFENSE OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION
S. Ivanov

military retirement
The social status of military service veterans has really reached the point
2010-05-21 / Vladimir Mukhin

The Ministry of Defense of Russia is concerned about the facts of the mass transition of reserve officers to pensions under civil pension legislation. Vladimir Kulakov, a spokesman for the Main Directorate of Educational Work of the Armed Forces, recently reported that "in just two months of this year, 15,000 people refused military pensions." Apparently, this process is only gaining momentum.

Today, 1.131 million former servicemen are on pension records in the Armed Forces. At the same time, according to General Kulakov, "about 519 thousand people receive pensions below the average level of labor pensions, which is 46% of the total number of military pensioners." Officials from the military department have not presented such data, which obviously does not bring authority to the federal authorities, for a long time.

Apparently, the social status of veterans of military service has really reached the point. The Defense Ministry officer, who asked not to be named, clarified to NG that the situation with the mass refusals of retirees from military pensions looks even more acute than Vladimir Kulakov described it. After the April decree of the government of the Russian Federation on increasing labor pensions, the country's military registration and enlistment offices were simply inundated with statements from reserve military personnel demanding that they be transferred to pensions in the territorial bodies of the Pension Fund. The officer is concerned that "this sharply reduces the attractiveness of the army in the eyes of society and does not stimulate young citizens to enter the military service under the contract."

As a result, according to Lieutenant General Netkachev, a member of the Association for the Social Protection of Veterans of Special Forces of Law Enforcement Agencies and Special Services "Rus", Lieutenant General Netkachev, social discontent in the families of servicemen and retirees is also sharply increasing. And it is no secret that many opposition parties and movements use this discontent for political purposes. As an example, the interlocutor of "NG" cited the May Day protests organized by opposition parties and movements in the country with the participation of servicemen and military pensioners. Netkachev recalled that on January 30 of this year. The bureau of the Yabloko party appealed to President Dmitry Medvedev with a demand to "revise the discriminatory system of pensions for military personnel." In the following months, street actions of servicemen, military pensioners and Yabloko activists in support of the appeal were held in Bashkiria, Chuvashia, Tatarstan, Stavropol Territory, Astrakhan, Amur, Chelyabinsk, Ryazan regions, and in a number of other regions of the country. In Moscow, two such pickets were organized near the building of the Ministry of Defense. “These actions do not paint either the government or the leadership of the military department. But, what is most interesting, there is no proper reaction to these demands of the country's leadership,” General Netkachev is indignant.

Oleg Shvedkov, chairman of the Central Committee of the All-Russian Trade Union of Military Personnel, shares his concerns. “According to official data, the average pension of a reserve officer is about 7,000 rubles, while Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, reporting to State Duma deputies in April, said that the average Russian pension in 2010 had been increased to 8,100 rubles,” says an NG source. - such in recent history Russia didn't exist yet. And here it is completely incomprehensible why the country's leadership ignores this fact, provoking a certain discontent not only among military service veterans, but also in the army in the field.”

"question answer"

transition from military to civil pension

is there a ruling on military pensioners who also worked in civilian life for 12 years on transition on civil retirement

Everything is. Just not the way you think. Military who served in the army to pensions pay military retirement and besides, if after their dismissal they worked for some time in a civilian, on a labor basis, then they receive a second retirement.

For what period of service in the army do you need to take a certificate of wages with transition on civil retirement

These references are not required. WITH military salaries are not deducted in the Pension Fund. " civil» pension calculated on the basis of information about civil» salary

exit on retirement At transition With military services on civil in 2007, a major in the customs service, had the right to leave on retirement? if he has worked in customs since 1994.

You don't say anything that needs to be specified to get an answer to the question, and no one here can guess about it. you mention military And civil service, as well as work at customs. In order to receive retirement.

The management has been delaying the payment of salaries for more than a month, what can the employee do to speed up the payment? How can you get paid? Thank you in advance.

In the event of a delay in the payment of wages for a period of more than 15 days, the employee has the right, by notifying the employer in writing, to suspend work for the entire period until the payment of the delayed amount. Suspension of work is not allowed: (c.

apply to the labor inspectorate or the prosecutor's office 1. write a collective complaint addressed to the director (I understand that it is useless, but this is order!) 2. apply to the labor inspectorate in the local administration with a complaint 3. if persuasion did not help - c.

Please answer if it makes sense on retirement husband? I am a pensioner, 74 years old, the amount of the insurance part pensions 6400 rubles, I wanted to go on retirement deceased husband his insurance part pensions 8200 rub. V.

My mother passed on retirement dads. was more profitable. Now she is 80 years old. they said that little would be added, and when she went to count already to another. counted as much as they thought. about 3600 She has a great experience. But in general.

on retirement husband to go is not provided by law. You can only choose which pensions- yours in old age or yours in the loss of a breadwinner is larger in size. according to your application to the Pension Fund, you must calculate both options and you can choose.

How to issue retirement old age citizen of the Russian Federation, a resident of Estonia?

Citizens of the Russian Federation living abroad apply for an appointment pensions directly to pension Foundation of the Russian Federation (Department for pension provision of persons living abroad - st. Shabolovka.

what a strange citizen - you go to Russia where you are registered - you apply to the PF - there you retirement and will issue-or with such a question to the consulate On a general basis.

941 ruling when and where published

And what? Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of September 22, 1993 N 941 (as amended on February 15, 2011) “On okay seniority calculations, appointments and payments pensions, compensations and benefits to persons who have undergone military service as officers, ensigns.

This? RESOLUTION dated September 22, 1993 N 941 O OK CALCULATIONS OF SERVICE, APPOINTMENTS AND PAYMENTS PENSIONS AND BENEFITS TO PERSONS WHO PASSED MILITARY SERVICE AS OFFICERS, WRITTEN OFFICERS, MIDCHMANS AND MILITARY PERSONNEL LONG SERVICE.

Why, when calculating, the average salary in Ukraine for the year preceding the year in which a person applied for a pen pension; that is, when transition With.

Well so in pension Fund and ask for written explanations! Moreover, with Ukrainian pension Few here are familiar with the law.

I am retired, can I get retirement husband due to the loss of a breadwinner? My husband died at the age of 57, 6 years have passed since his death, I have been on pensions. On I was still working at the time of his death. my pension on this moment.

Of course, get retirement dead husband you can't, tk. it was HIS pension. Go on retirement on the occasion of the loss of a breadwinner is possible only if at the time of his death you were disabled (that is, you were already on pensions.

Autolady is misleading you. Pension husband is not an inheritance, and you cannot receive it. This is in military(you can get 30% pensions breadwinner), now this is not relevant, because. " civil» pensions almost equal With « military«.

at transition With military pensions on retirement by age, what is the average wage applied when calculating?

Military pension nothing to do with. For accrual civil pensions a civilian salary is taken, any 5 years.

that's the catch of the military. And what should be crossed? At military pension anyway more! Any time period you specify

Pension by disability + pension on the loss of a breadwinner after the age of 23 Please tell me if there is such a law in Ukraine that allows people with disabilities from childhood of the 1st group to receive and retirement disability, and retirement By.

Of course you can! You will only receive from different organizations. If you are registered with pension fund as recipient pensions on disability from childhood (there are documents or a certificate from the MSEC stating that you acquired a disability before the age of 18) and.

Do I have the right to social assistance in old age. I am 65 soon, I have been living in Germany for 10 years. pension did not work here. although all these years she worked on the "basis" and only 2 years on a full-time basis. Pensions.

If you are a citizen of Russia and have at least 5 years of insurance experience (i.e. any experience in Russia or the USSR), then the right to work retirement in old age you were 55 years old, if citizenship there is, but no experience, then at 60 years old.

I have a friend who has been coming from Greece for years and gets his retirement, though on disability For the experience worked in Russia, get retirement= everyone from Israel comes to collect their experience and salary and draw up. for work.

I beg the advice of competent people! Good afternoon to you! My husband is 36 years old. in 1993 he was enrolled as a cadet in a combined arms school, in December of the same 1993, he received an injury (.

I agree with AKMS, first you need to get a disability for this disease, which must be recognized through the IHC military injury, which I strongly doubt that it will be possible to do. the injury was not in the line of duty military.

If injury military and other disability payments are not made, then yes. But most likely it will pension disability military personnel, since the injury was received before the introduction of the Federal Law “On monetary allowance.

Husband receives retirement How military pensioner, but, continuing to work, transfers money to the pension fund. Does he have the right to use the accumulated funds without transition on civil retirement?

your question is complex and has been delving into for a long time, but I will try to explain how I understood it! on this moment I understand your husband is military retired and working as civil face and at the same time receives military retirement! and from wages go.

At the moment, unfortunately not. At the present time military pensioner can receive at the same time military retirement And funded part labor pensions(if he has money in a savings account and he meets the conditions for her appointment.

Please let me know what documents are needed to get pensions living in Germany?

Yes, in general, they are the same as those living in Russia, only order treatment is somewhat different, documents must be submitted directly to pension RF fund. Right on retirement, of course, have citizens of the Russian Federation. LIST OF DOCUMENTS REQUIRED.

transition on military retirement deceased spouse My mother is a working pensioner, pension about 4900 with 38 years of experience. She decided to go on MILITARY retirement deceased spouse, there for 1000.

You can run back and forth as much as you like, where there will be more, there and you will move There are no restrictions Mother will receive 30% of pensions husband whether he works or not, civil retirement husband can get all at once, if any.

The commander wants to dismiss at the end of the contract on his own initiative. Does he have a right?

Now pay attention to the correct answer. Art. 23 FZ “On status. "Dismissal of citizens With military military personnel- citizens passing military contract service and under the age limit.

Legislation of the Russian Federation (Federal laws "On the status military personnel", "ABOUT military duties and military service”, Regulations on okay passing military services, as well as orders of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, issued in pursuance of these laws, do not provide.

Worked in the USSR. Kazakhstan. Latvia. Can I count on the Russian retirement?

Right on retirement will be only if there is a Russian citizenship, reaching 60 years of age (if there are no grounds for early retirement) and the presence of 5 years of insurance experience (it does not matter where it was earned in Russia or.

Dear Iskander is right, as always. If you have any questions, then only contact him, he has extensive experience in the PF and he is a brilliant lawyer! How much did you work in the former USSR, if you have more than 5 years. If in Russia for at least 5 years!

my husband is studying at military the school was seriously injured, with deteriorating health .. it was 20 years ago, their first-year students were taken to the bathhouse, in the winter at night, without a fence, crossing the road on a pedestrian transition, my husband.

Go through MSEC to determine the cause of disability. If this military injury, then you will be assigned military retirement for disability 50% of the salary for 3 gr and 85% for 1.2 gr. The cadet then received 22 p. Considering inflation, 2200r here and consider.

What was actually not investigated and what do you want to achieve? “A very terrible diagnosis” is a conversation about nothing. If the injury led to a change in the category of fitness, then the warrior was treated and the corresponding amounts were paid. Driver.

woman pension age must be retirement, she has a son who is dependent on disability .. (see vnWoman pension age must be retirement, she has a son who is dependent on disability, the question is: 1. What documents.

1. LIST OF DOCUMENTS REQUIRED FOR ESTABLISHING A WORK PENSIONS OLD-AGE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FEDERAL LAW "ON LABOR PENSIONS IN THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION" To the application of a citizen who applied for the appointment of a labor pensions By.

go to pension fund. everything is explained clearly and patiently. you need to apply yourself or another person with a notarized power of attorney if the son is disabled from childhood, then it is possible to increase the basic part pensions. are needed for this.

You cannot change your passport before your birthday. What to do if you need to go somewhere the next day after the DR? The passport is no longer valid. Okay trip, but there are serious urgent deals. What if the passport is changed at best within 10 days.

According to the Regulations on the passport of a citizen of the Russian Federation, the validity of the passport is determined until the execution of c. 220, 45 years old. All! So next day it is invalid. And the gap lies in the fact that the legislator did not provide for the need for a period to.

this phrase is somewhat incomprehensible “Yes, they can issue a temporary identity card, which is a full-fledged identity card. Then, in any case, a citizen cannot have a document proving his identity for several days.”

Many or few? 2 years conditionally gave the driver of the KAMAZ and not deprived of a driver's license. suffered serious bodily harm, there was only a criminal court, civil was not yet, the driver had to admit his guilt, the forensic examination recognized him.

The term is normal. Such arbitrage practice. Since they didn’t deprive them of their rights, it means that the pedestrian did something wrong. Do not immediately blame the court for bias and venality. And here civil he will bear full responsibility. That car.

Hell knows. The circumstances of the case are very vague. 1. Does KAMAZ have ABS at all? And what about the abs in general? 2. 8 meters is a _VERY_ short stopping distance. He slowed down, and effectively. 8 meters is the minimum stopping distance from 60 km.

Urgently need advice! A man was hit on a pedestrian transition

Firmly state to the representative (representatives) of the culprit of the accident: all cases are after the final recovery. Do not write any receipts and statements on scraps of paper.

If the harm to health is not serious, then the driver will be held administratively liable, since an accident involving a pedestrian on a pedestrian transition- 100% driver's fault. If the victim suffered serious bodily harm, then

Does the President of the Russian Federation have a work book?!

There is a must! Like any civil face - he obeys Labor Code, but as a guarantor of the observance of the rule of law in the state, he also protects this law. At the time of his election, an entry is made in the work book - what he is on.

of course, like everyone else decent a citizen of his own country I think there is. After all, he also works, "pays" taxes, earns himself a penny retirement and experience 🙂 Of course YES! He even receives a white salary. Definitely there is. Yes.

What to do with the lawlessness of judges?

Fight with all available ways and means. Up to the European Court of Human Rights (Strasbourg).

which ones? although they all look at us through the prism (we are the material for them). You don't understand, they demand money. And lawlessness is only for malicious non-payers I cannot fully agree with your statement about “lawlessness.

Can be fired serviceman without his consent, if he does not have a length of service for the right to receive pensions?

RUSSIAN FEDERATION FEDERAL LAW ON STATUS MILITARY PERSONNEL Adopted by the State Duma on March 6, 1998 Approved by the Federation Council on March 12, 1998 Article 23. Dismissal of citizens With military services and the right to employment 1.

I live in the Republic of Moldova, a citizen of the Russian Federation before the collapse of the USSR, I already had an experience of 30 years, I want to return to the Russian Federation, can I count on on retirement

In the presence of citizenship Russian Federation and not receiving a Moldovan pensions retirement can be received without living in Russia. Citizens of the Russian Federation living abroad apply for an appointment pensions.

can i start the process pensions through the Russian consulate in Greece? I am a citizen of Russia, since 1996 I have been living in Greece

Consulates of the Russian Federation for appointments pensions They don't, because it's out of their area of ​​expertise. Citizens of the Russian Federation living abroad apply for an appeal pensions directly to pension fund.

March 6, 2001 N 21-FZ R.F. FEDERAL LAW ON PAYMENT PENSIONS FOR CITIZENS LEAVING FOR PERMANENT RESIDENCE OUTSIDE THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION Adopted by the State Duma on February 14, 2001 Approved by the Federation Council on February 22, 2001

Do I have the opportunity to transition on civil I can only get it from civilian experience, excluding military. I know that this pension It will be less, but it is more profitable for me.

How can it be profitable to receive less retirement? Or is he going to pay child support? yes you can if civil experience more than military experience)))) or military, OR civil, but they say that from the age of 12 it will be possible to receive 2 pensions.))

Do not write down your question when they will increase the military retirement and how much?

AHA! They'll catch up and add more. So far, only empty words from the high stands are heard about the increase in DD military personnel. Or increase so that military pensioners would not need to raise. This is called purely in Russian, - the cat threw.

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